The BVB Manifesto (part 1?)
This is by no means required reading — it’s mostly just an attempt to collect some of my own thoughts about what powers Band Vs. Band’s pink & blue heart, what I was thinking when I started it, and what interests me about it. If you’re interested in my (hopefully coherent) rambling, dig in.
Band As Archetype
The world is full of fictional works that are reasonably true-to-life depictions of the life and trials of musicians — and man, this is not one of them. BVB is a world that’s stylized not only visually, but functionally, and for the most part it’s not really about how actual bands work. It’s about the archetype of “bands” as seen in cartoons, fiction, and music fandom…over-the-top and mythologized and fetishized. And of course it’s a particular love letter to the kind of cartoons and comics (roughly of the 60s, 70s, and 80s) where it seemed like every franchise had a house band, and they’d take a break at least once per episode to shake some instruments in front of a psychedelic background. BVB also operates on the kind of Musical Logic where nobody thinks it’s weird if you break into a song instead of talk sometimes.
Why do I love the idea of bands?
Hell, why does anyone love bands, beyond just liking the music? A band is a really classic team formation — a group of people with different skills and roles working together. The band metaphor is even commonly used to describe character types in a non-musical group. It’s kind of like an action team where each character fights with a different weapon, except non-violent (and yes, a frequent variation on this — which my world doesn’t do, although it’s fun — is having music actually work like magic weaponry in a band fight.) It’s a larger-than-life group identity where the whole’s greater than the sum of the parts, and the parts are like some secular pantheon of meaningful idol-figures. Oh yeah, and The Band also a natural haven for a lot of my favorite types of characters: weirdos, idealists, obsessives, divas, leaders & followers, volatile creative clashers, and odd combinations of ambition & slackerism.
Soundless Music & Time Out Of Time
I semi-frequently run into the criticism that it’s pointless to depict music in comics since it’s a silent medium…and I respectfully disagree. You can convey & evoke a lot with the visuals and the context and the lyrical flow; and moreover, there’s even a secret advantage in it not being tied to actual sound. When you show a creative work (art, music, writing, whatever) made by fictional characters, it’s inherently got the limitations of the real-life creator(s). Mostly it’s just disappointing. I like how, with silent music in comics, you can set the stage for the right *feel*, and leave the rest to imagination. I’m confident enough writing the words, but I wouldn’t want to do the sounds unless I had, say, an animated series with genius collaborators on par with the team that made Dr. Horrible (It also suddenly saddens me a little that, even in this dream world, I don’t really have a character for Neil Patrick Harris to voice.)
The other advantage of not having sound is that the ties to specific genres and eras are looser. I’m drawing on the aesthetics of lots of actual music groups, for sure, but in this way where it’s all thrown together in a pan like a stir-fry. I came up with the term “retro-contemporary” to describe the setting — it’s set in the present day, but in a slightly alternate universe where technology has apparently stalled pre- computers and cell phones. I like whatever you imagine this music sounds like.
The “For Girls” Stigma & My Lesbo-Feminine Aesthetics
Band Vs. Band was always also a deliberate attempt to create something interesting that has the look and feel of a series For Girls — it’s sort of tongue-in-cheek, but it’s also a really honest reaction against the idea that it’s not okay to like stuff that’s For Girls. I should note that I don’t think there’s any wrong way for a person to have gender identity or expression — “girls” aren’t a collective bloc, some girls aren’t feminine, some girls aren’t born girls, humans are wildly diverse animals, tastes and experiences are multi-layered and subjective and etcetera forever. However! My particular aesthetic sensibilities lean fairly feminine, and I really dislike the idea that a work that has traits perceived as feminine (particular visual style, decorative ornamentation, interest in “pretty” stuff, focus on female characters, primary appeal to female audience, relative lack of perceived-as-masculine visuals and themes) is necessarily weak and shallow and insubstantial or just shameful to like (especially for someone who’s not a girly girl themselves). Don’t get me wrong — a lot of feminine stuff marketed For Girls does actually suck…and THAT sucks, because it doesn’t have to suck.
My particular perspective is that I’m a lesbian for whom femininity is both what I identify with and what I’m attracted to. I generally don’t relate much to the side of lesbian culture where people identify as butch or masculine or boi or reject gender labels entirely. It’s in this sense like “yeah, of course I respect this, and they’re being true to themselves in a way that’s just as valid as anything I do…I’m a friend and ally to this, but this is not for me.”
Representation for femme-ish girls can be an issue — we tend to get assumed to be straight unless it’s stated otherwise, even at gay-centric events where such an assumption makes very little sense. So, this also has an element of “We exist! Look, I drew some!”
It’s also important to me that the two mostly-femmy gay girls it’s centered on aren’t *ideals*…Honey is super dorky and preachy, and Turpentine is a troublemaker and the kind of slob who’ll chew with her mouth open and stick her feet in your face, and at this point they both have a lot of insecurity and self-doubt.
No Band Is An Island
It’s also worth noting that BVB is a world within a world. Most of the main characters are some kind of LGBTQ, and they apparently live in this somewhat insular set of circles based in a big city’s weird, eccentric-friendly, queer-leaning local music scene…but there are these little glimpses on the fringes that, just outside the bubble, this is also a world that contains disapproving parents and Catholic schools and random homophobes and regular civilians who just don’t relate to the idea of wearing campy costume accessories in public. This will likely be explored more at some point.
Boys in GirlWorld
I feel like there’s often a tendency for “token” male characters in female-dominated settings to be in the world but not of the world, come off as dull compared to the girls they hang out with, and inspire questionable reactions like “Oh, that poor emasculated chump, stranded in the land of women.” I wanted the most central male characters in BVB to absolutely belong in the world, and be the sort of guys who, if you offered them an escape to some square-jawed world of tanks fighting robots, would laugh at you and say hell no.
Maybe we’ll meet some contrasty men at some point who are either decidedly masculine or straight or both. Maybe Coco and Seraphim would take that offer to go hang out in the Robot Wars — but just for a little while.
De-Guilting Guilty Pleasures
In some basic sense for me, these comix are a re-claiming of a ton of stuff that I love that at some point I thought maybe I shouldn’t love because loving it seemed tacky or immature. No way — I love hearts and stars and ascribing huge value to the concept of bands, and I love every music video that burned itself into my brain as a teenager. Band Vs. Band started out as just coming up with some cute character designs to cheer myself up at a low moment, and it had this real sense of “y’know what, I’m going to draw something that I think is fun, and the hell with everything else”. It’s delightful to me that it kept going, and that other people got into something that was originally so tailor-made to serve my own quirky interests. I also hope that this crazy essay hasn’t come off too serious, because it’s also pretty central to the philosophy of these comix that they’re fun and lighthearted and not Serious Business.
Next time, perhaps, if I have another really longwinded thought-gathering day: the ambiguous nature of good, bad, and “versus”, and my obsessions with lettering & design.
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Just popped in to say that I love the world you’ve created with BvB and enjoyed reading your insights. Incidentally, I’ve been hearing NPH’s voice coming from Ian ever since the sitcomic.
Thanks!
Oh, yeah, I like the idea of NPH as Ian. This would be grounds to re-write everything so that he’s got a singing role.
Interesting read.
For NPH, how about a video/performance/installation artist who “lowers himself” by making music videos to pay the rent?
Not that there aren’t any good video/performance/installation artists…but I’ve seen a lot of stuff that I considered questionable/self-indulgent/just-plain-bad.
Since this is a pre-computer world, it wouldn’t be easy to make your own digital video, and videos could still be cool.
I like the idea of reclaiming things you love that others considered tacky. My parents had odd music tastes, early music exposure was the Partridge family, ABBA, Roger Whittaker, the Village People and Blondie. All except the last are embarrassing to admit, despite my current music tastes…I still love those songs.
I did actually want to have a filmmaker at some point! It does seem like a natural fit, and I agree that it’s one of the things that has a lot more cachet in the retro-world.
My family once had a Thanksgiving where we all sat down and watched Can’t Stop The Music, the full-length Village People movie. It’s not a GOOD movie (like, not at ALL a good movie), but the fact that the songs are catchy as hell goes a long way towards making it watchable. I also have a theory that just about everyone has at least one favorite ABBA song, even if they keep it totally secret and claim to despise ABBA.
I remember seeing a theatre trailer for Can’t Stop the Music, and even as a child I thought “This doesn’t look like a good movie.” Haven’t seen it or even Xanadu…maybe I should. Watched “Heartbeeps” recently, it was not as terrible as I’d heard (it is very slow with very little plot), but not as good as my childhood self had hoped.
The ABBA Broadway show and movie has brought the music back into popularity, and the gay clubs were playing ABBA dance remixes back in the 90′s.
I’ve been walking past an ultra-giant poster for a stage version of Xanadu on the way to work every day for weeks. Also: re: Can’t Stop The Music: I remember thinking that the worst thing about it was the staggering amount of focus on non-musical, non-Village Person characters (like this dull straight couple where the male half is Bruce Jenner). If you’re bothering to watch a movie like this in the first place, that shit’s just wasting your time in between costumey musical numbers.
I’ve got a lot of affection for candy pop and camp, no doubt about it, but the stuff that I feel this crazy-strong nostalgic allegiance with is the stuff that would’ve been called “alternative” late-80s through maybe 2/3 of the 90s.

Edit to add: This animation forever looping under the Simpsons end credits while Sonic Youth covers the theme song in 1996 = so poignant to me that it almost makes me sad.
See, what I love about this comic is that it DOES have such a “Kathleen” feel. Even just reading one or two comics gives the reader an incredible sense of who you are as a person, which you just don’t get to this degree with comics that are focused on more mainstream topics. For example, I read a lot of “geeky” comics about video games or whatever, and sure they convey the sense that the writer is a geek themselves, but you don’t get much beyond the “90s Pokemon Nostalgia” feel. Reading this comic, though, I feel like I know you as a person, and that’s part of what makes it so touching. I respect anything that is so obviously filled with the creator’s passion and love. Besides, this comic is just so original and quirky. I don’t read a TON of web comics, but I still get the sense that there’s nothing quite like this around right now, and no one who has your same view point or art style. Quite frankly, and to be a little cliche, it’s a breath of fresh air.
Or maybe I’m just totally in love with Arsenic and Turpentine. It’s possible.
This makes me extremely happy to read — thank you!
Yeah, doing something that’s off in its own little world and doesn’t resemble many other comics is probably what interests me the most. I want to keep pushing that further and get better. I read a fair amount of comics, I suppose (web and otherwise), and the ones that REALLY win my heart and inspire me to wanna work harder are pretty much always the ones with super-distinctive style, well-considered integration of text and images, and a certain willingness to bend the edges of what a comic is and embrace whatever the author’s weird quirks are.
Also, Arsenic and Turpentine are probbbbably my two favorite BVB characters. I’ve probably written more about them (background & history, little stray bits of dialogue) outside of what gets seen in the comics than any of the others.
Can you give us a reading list of some of your favourite comics (print and web)?
I don’t buy too many comics these days, but some of my favourite artist/writers/creators in print are Tony Millionaire, Daniel Clowes, Roberta Gregory (Naughty Bits), Julie Doucet (My New York Diary), Lynda Barry, and of course the Hernandez Brothers.
Jill Thompson’s work is gorgeous too.
I’m going to ditto Elyssa’s well expressed feelings. A few years ago I was fiddling around with writing; about a bunch of guys starting a band, and a “riot girl” singer who joined them, and the arty friends she hung out with. My dialogue was humorous(at least to me) but I hadn’t figured out all my character’s back stories and where I wanted to take them and I let it drop.
So I am very inspired at the unique world you have created, and hope to someday get back to working on mine.
I’m so delinquent replying to this!
I feel like my attempts at compiling reading lists always end up with glaring omissions…and I definitely don’t keep up with as many print comics and graphic novels as I’d like to. I kind of use the links on my site as my own reading list ( + love to friends), but it’s never really seemed up-to-date or comprehensive. My sin is that I flip through too much miscellaneous stuff online, and don’t spend enough quality time appreciating gorgeous work (both print and web). My second sin is the growing pile of novels on my shelf waiting to be read. They’re just always staring at me. Oh man, why have I turned this delightful topic into stress?
If Satan showed up right now and demanded that I PICK ONLY ONE COMICS FAVORITE or else, it’s Chris Ware — he’s like the bridge between my two great loves, comics and design, and his sense of style just kills me in the best melancholy way. If I’m not repeating any on your A+ list up there, hmmm: I like Jillian Tamaki and Craig Thompson and my favorite web-leaning artist right now is probably Jess Fink.
Also, I like the sound of your band-world, and I’d totally be interested in seeing this if you decide to do more work with it.
I figured I was commenting too often
Craig Thompson is wonderful (just read Habibi),Jess Fink too. Have not heard of Jillian Tamaki, but will be on the lookout for her. While I admire the technical precision of Chris Ware, I guess I would appreciate more funkiness(?)…maybe I need to check out more of his work…I think I’ve only read two of his books.
Tove Jansen’s Moomin is another favourite of mine. Besides writing children’s books with her characters, she did a weekly comic strip which has been collected and printed as collections by Drawn and Quarterly. I picked them up to read at my local library and totally fell in love with them.